Imagine the scene: it’s the year 2222, centuries into the future. Vogue doesn’t exist, neither does Armani, London is war-torn as an army of fashion creatives move forward to make a new mark on the world. “The Next Generation” if you will, the breed of unknown talent set for the future, the ones to watch for in years to come.They got me with this one! I joined the fashion army of Nineteen74.com, a professional networking web site that links people in the fashion industry from around the world. I will let you know when some revolution takes place ...
photographed by Fabrice Lachant, creative director Pierre Doucin
Very curious about this site and it's legitimacy. After reading their terms and conditions I was a bit spooked. Curious to hear any updates you have on the service. Here's the part of the Terms and Conditions that was a bit off to me...
ReplyDelete"We do not claim ownership of any information or material you transmit, distribute, post, communicate or store on, to or through the Service (expressly excluding your user data which is collected in accordance with the Service Privacy Policy) ("Your Content"). However, by submitting or posting Your Content, to or through the Service, you grant the Company a world-wide, royalty free, perpetual, irrevocable and non-exclusive right (including any moral rights) and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display Your Content anywhere, for any purpose, and in any form, media or technology now known or later developed. No compensation will be payable with respect to the use of Your Content."
Pretty much says they can do whatever they want with an artists image. Thoughts?
Cheers,
Josh
WTF?!?! I can not beilive this. How is that possibile that people are still using it? As far as I know they don't need all those rights to keep social network going - or do they?
ReplyDeleteDepends. If they decide to create a sub-network or display things on a sister site, e.g. nineteen84 (?) or something, they wouldn't need to ask you for permission. It also means that they could show your profile on your ads and stuff.
ReplyDeleteIt's pretty liberal but you need it in this way to not shoot yourself in the foot in advance.
Like, is creating a thumbnail transformation or not? What about watermarking the photo or creating a giant collage/visualizations of your users photos, etc. You just don't want to limit yourself.
Copyright in digital age is totally foo concept :/
Josh, Jernej, Jure - thanks for your thoughts. I must say I am a bit shocked by this (obviously I didn't read the terms and conditions when I join the network, and I'm sure I'm not the only one!)
ReplyDeleteI have no problem with the terms that artists content can be used for a promotional use of the site, or any newsletters that this site has for their users ... blablabla. But they pretty much say I would have to be "Ok" that my photograph is used in a stupid porn ad - for instance.
Well, let's wait what @nineteen74 has to say about this on Twitter ... I'm waiting!
Hey guys, just reading your comments on our terms and conditions, all social networking sites including Nineteen74, where u upload imagery need to have this clause written in their terms, that doesnt mean we are able to use your works outside our network,or even are allowed to sell it but as Jure says correctly it does need to stated , if somebody visits your profile and grabs an image via screen shot we can not be made liable.Or as we showcase talent within nineteen74, we are able to make you famous! If we use any images outside nineteen74 we HAVE to ask your consent e.g. newsletter or our newly launched magazine...
ReplyDeleteWith todays technology we are unable to protect peoples work from our side and cant monitor all user behaviour, so hopefully you give us the credit that we can use images on the site to create business for individuals within our Nineteen74 network:) As Jure says Watermarking your images is the only way to protect... and all we do need is protect us from evil thoughts :)
The only way to have your work today clearly save is to print it on photopaper and lockin your cupboard.... And all nineteen74 is for to showcase the indivudual to make them more known in a gloabl community
hope u give us some positive credit on that one,
and as i see you have not read Yahoo/Flickr as they state exactly the same!!!
Mr. Raoul - thanks so much for telling us all that & apologizes for a bit harsh comments, I guess one should be more informed about this stuff and now we know! Thanks & good day
ReplyDelete<3 Nineeteen74